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« It's Input, It's Input Time | Main | Monday Open Caption, Non-Kitchen Edition For the Love of God FINALLY »

Input Time, Expanded & Annotated

June 05, 2009

Never let it be said that the Internet doesn't take a request for advice seriously. Serious Internet iz serious! Serious Internet iz in ur kitchen, comparing ur paint chipz!

In fact, since you guys took the assignment so seriously, I must apologize for setting y'all up for COLOR FAIL with just that little picture of a little corner. I think the lack of full room perspective is why red ended up being such a popular suggestion.

Let's...back up from that angle a little bit.

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See, I just can't get behind the idea of painting THAT MUCH wall red. Or any of it red, honestly, what with that wide expanse of reddish floor. As someone mentioned yesterday, I think it might feel like we "slaughtered a steer in a bordello."

We actually painted part of our bedroom dark red in our old DC condo -- way back in 2001, like a couple of paint-trend VISIONARIES -- and at first we loved it. How bold! How deep and lovely and different! And then six months later...hmm. Yeah. It looks kinda like a whorehouse up in here. Also, small. Very, very small.

We moved our bedroom to the (yellow!) upstairs loft and eventually had to paint over the red to create Noah's nursery. And people? I wanted to fucking. Kill. My. Self. And I was the pregnant one who was only BARELY KIND OF HELPING. Jason and his dad did most of the priming and the priming and the painting and oh, dammit, more priming and painting, and I think its pretty safe to say that Jason will never, ever let me paint anything red ever again.

(Next up on the recession-makeover-by-paint-alone list: the adjacent dining room, which is halfway red. Deep, dark red up to a white chair rail, another freaking shade of goddamn beige up to the ceiling. This WOULD work, except that the room has 1) no windows and 2) an unusually low ceiling. Thus, the red gives you the sensation that bottom half of the room is slowly closing in on you and about to eat your legs off.)

(After that, it's time for our bedroom. Holy paint nuggets, but you people are in for some hella boring entries.)

So...I'm sorry. I am. But no red. NO RED. Let's take a look at another angle.

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These people LOVED their recessed blackhead-zit-lighting, obviously.

We've been wanting to paint the house ever since we moved in, really, but just...haven't. Our condo buyers* demanded an incredibly tight closing date (which they would subsequently forget to ask for the day off from work for, which was awesome of them) so we only barely got our crap from one place into the other in time. So there was no time to paint while the place was nice and empty, though you can see from the shoe rack that's leaning in a corner instead of being attached to the wall that we TOTALLY INTENDED TO PAINT. I mean, don't MOUNT the shoe rack; we'll just have to take it down when we paint! Which we're totally going to do soon! Along with window coverings! And stuff on the wall! AS SOON AS WE PAINT.

That shoe rack has been sitting there for...what? Two-and-a-half years now? Thank God we didn't waste any energy on THAT, then.

*We also had to accept a below-list offer because they wanted to paint over all the bold, gorgeous colors (terra cotta and yellow and green and faux-crumbling-brick murals climbing up the loft) we'd chosen. We've since seen through the windows that they painted the entire place...white.

That table is going to be replaced, as we NEVER USE IT (obviously, if you can see that we use it for sprouting seedlings for the vegetable garden), with one of those counter-height workstation things, with storage and stools and maybe some butcher block. This kitchen, blah as it might be aesthetically, at least DOES get put to good, extensive use. And since I'm prone to taking up all the counter space while cooking seventeen different batches of baby food and preschooler snacks with a side of Mama Brownies, I've been eyeballing that useless half of the room for awhile now. Usually while drooling. And eating.

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Yes, the dishwasher is actually stainless. Or...you know, the fake stainless. The horrible GE dishwasher that was here when we moved in was recalled, and we used the provided rebate to replace it with a possibly MORE horrible GE dishwasher. Scratch that. This is definitely a more horrible dishwasher. Terrible. (It's basically the cheapest GE Profile model you can buy. WE RUE THE DAY.) Its days are numbered and I believe we're going to go back to white, since if we DO fall ass-backwards into some free money, it'll go towards the horrible counter and cabinets. The range and microwave are perfectly fine, and we were able to get the not-great-but-serviceable refrigerator repaired and save ourselves a couple grand. That we've already spent on Noah's OT summer camp. GOD.

Hmm. I am looking at that grey bin/basket we use for paper recyling there and thinking. THINKING OF THINGS. PAINT IDEA THINGS.

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That bit up by the WTF is not a trick of the camera -- the wall is weirdly uneven there, thus complicating any ideas of using different colors on the two halves of the room. I think that one wall by the little table would make a nice accent -- I bought rows of little photo/artwork display things at Ikea awhile ago with this wall in mind, but of course never hung them up because WE ARE GOING TO PAINT.

(We did not have Guns n' Roses over. We did not actually have any guests over.)

So...we've been basically going back and forth about this room for ages. We absolutely cannot afford to *do* anything major to it right now. But I'm sick to death of not doing *anything.* I think that's why I finally seized upon the FUCK IT, WE'RE PAINTING IT WHITE AND THAT'S THE END OF IT thing.

(Well, that, and AB Chao's kitchen. I know y'all came down HARD on the all-white kitchen, but dude. Duuuuude. Hers is insanely gorgeous, though clearly not something we could replicate in a boring 70s suburban townhouse kitchen. But still. Waaaaannnnnt, duuuuuuuuuuuude.) Etc.

(Oh! And for the tough-to-clean paint complaints, I cannot believe that I, knower of exactly nothing, know a possible solution to that. My mother-in-law was a professional decorative painter [she did our old condo, but I have been unable to spark her interest in doing ANYTHING at the new house except for the boys' rooms] and after she would do any type of faux finish or mural, she'd slap a thin coat of polyurethane over it. Seals and protects completely so you can wipe ANYTHING off with a wet rag. HIGHLY recommended for any special painted details you might put around your baby boy's changing table. Just saying. From experience.)

Now that you have some added perspective on the space, what do you think? Warm grey? Avocado or olive or grass green? (Not big on sage, since our one bathroom is sage and our LAST bathroom was sage, so basically: sage makes me think I have to pee.) Tiffany or robin's egg blue? Canteloupe? Yellow but like, a different yellow? WHITE? Pink with little red hearts stenciled all over the place? Hunter green plaid and a ton of duck decoys?

(Oh, and the boring door pulls are as good as gone. As soon as I find something that I like. And, you know, ASSOONASWEPAINT.)

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Comments

I think a nice crisp light green would look great with the floors, countertops, and cabinets...

Posted by: Tracy | June 05, 2009 at 09:08 AM

I'm still on my grey kick (with pops of colour - apple green!), and I think black hardware could look great. The house we just moved into had horrible old brass cabinet pulls, but I didn't mind the shape of them. Out came the flat black Tremclad and they look like wrought iron now and the $6 Tremclad was a hell of a lot cheaper than the $100 (at least)it would have cost to buy new hardware.

And this might be a crazy-ass suggestion, but have you thought about maybe adding some sort of moulding to the cabinet doors? Moulding with mitred corners would make them look like recessed panel doors and might be a good "for now" fix. I honestly would have no idea how to go about it though, I'm just here for ideas not actual plans!

Good luck with whatever colour you choose!

Posted by: Julienne | June 05, 2009 at 09:20 AM

We bought Glidden's Toasty Grey for one of our rooms that we had no idea what to do with. And it is beautiful. I almost wish we'd done the whole house with it. It's grey, but not cold; the "toasty" in there is quite accurate (unlike half the other names and paint cards we went through, like that beautiful and subtle Mediterranean blue that turned out to be SUPERMAN RECYCLE BIN HOLY CRAP BLUE or the beige that turned out to be a lavendery-pink, and yes, I'm bitter).

I think a green or a blue or accents of one or the other or both would also look great.

Posted by: Wallydraigle | June 05, 2009 at 09:24 AM

Your kitchen looks way different in these pictures than in yesterday's picture. I vote for a light blue or a light green (if you like this light blue I can get the color name for you - http://www.flickr.com/photos/36775885@N04/3597282583/ )

As for the can lights, if your complaint is the black in white look, its really easy to replace those lights, and they're about $8 a piece. You could even replace them over time (no one notices a ceiling enough for it to be a big deal).

I'll also throw in that when you do decide to replace the counter tops, granite is nowhere near as expensive as it used to be, and can be just as cheap or cheaper than quartz or corian when you pick out what you want. Plus, you can set a bomb off on the stuff and it still looks like new.

Posted by: tutugirl1345 | June 05, 2009 at 09:25 AM

I'm also still pulling for grey or green. I wish we had a better picture of our new grey guestroom.

When we moved into our house, everything on the main floor was the same green-tinged yellow (think not-quite-ripe lemon): walls, ceiling, trim in living room, dining room, bathroom, and our bedroom. Sigh. We painted the kitchen and dining room a beautiful bright green.

Before and after pics are here:
http://dockerys.blogspot.com/2008/02/end-of-yellow.html

I'd be happy to dig up the name of our green if you want.

Posted by: Ashley | June 05, 2009 at 09:25 AM

We have similar counters and even less appealing cabinets but got great mileage from a paint-only renovation a few weeks ago. If you're open to blue (some people can't do a blue kitchen - I am not one of those people) test out some samples in the pale-but-rich-sort-of-smokey-blue family. Ours looks as great as it could be in just that sort of blue. Some to try are: Benjamin Moore "Blue Lace" could work, or Benj.Moore Aura "Christalline" or "Constellation".

Posted by: Mar | June 05, 2009 at 09:25 AM

Well if I'm being honest I don't really dislike the color that's on the walls now... but I know sometimes the color from a pic is different from the actual color. I am pretty much obsessed with yellow so I'm going to vote for yellow. We have reddish flooring and I think the yellow walls really make it look rich.

I also like your suggestion of Tiffany blue, but I don't think it would make the floors look as nice. But I still like it!

Posted by: ClassyFabSarah | June 05, 2009 at 09:26 AM

I love the idea of either grass green or Tiffany blue. IMO, either would work really well with the floors and the for-now counters.

Posted by: Steph | June 05, 2009 at 09:28 AM

We use the color "Beach House" (Behr or Sherwin Williams?) in our house and I really ove it - it is a nice light light brown that looks great with white. You can then use pops of red or apple green or a light soothing grey/blue. You could add some white curtains to break up the brown a bit and then you have a very sophisticated, calming kitchen. : )

Posted by: Dana | June 05, 2009 at 09:29 AM

Yeah, these photos don't really reflect the "real" shade of yellow on the walls -- much more muted/peachy here. I wouldn't call it a HIDEOUS yellow, but it just doesn't *do* anything for the room, you know? Just...blah.

Posted by: Amalah | June 05, 2009 at 09:29 AM

I'm a big fan of the gray. It's subtle, but not boring beige...and certainly not white (blech). Something subtle, and it will go with whatever new countertops you get. And, you could still do an accent wall - in a dark blue or green.

Posted by: Neena | June 05, 2009 at 09:31 AM

Green. It'll pop with the white and the red-ish floor, be all springy, and hey, you have a LOT of big windows. I'm totally jealous. *sigh* Liiiiight.

Posted by: Opal | June 05, 2009 at 09:35 AM

Your counters are cool-colored. Floors are warm. Cabinets are cool. Furniture is warm. This opens the door for clashing.

Pick a good greige/stone color straight out of the countertops. Cool side is OK. The floor is warm enough for the rest of the room. It will tie the disparate elements together rather than setting them off, as the yellow does. Result: soothing and harmonious.

Get something more friendly-feeling for drawer-pulls and less Remodeled Doctor's Office. Maybe in a burnished bronze. Get some fabric curtains/window treatments. Hang up art. Get a clock. Once you do those things the paint color will start mattering a lot less, anyway.

Posted by: supa | June 05, 2009 at 09:35 AM

Sorry - no time to go thru all comments so I don't know if someone's suggested this yet but I'd go soft grey (I think someone suggested apple green accents - love it) and I would do an "accent section" if not a whole wall with blackboard paint - something to keep boyz entertained while you cook and somewhere you can write a grocery list and/or "TAKE OUT THE TRASH HUSBAND" with arrows? Or... oh... is it just my husband who needs a yelly all caps reminder & a map written on the kitchen wall?

Posted by: Kirsty | June 05, 2009 at 09:36 AM

I would do the khaki green, warm gray or non-fleshy beige. It will make the room very neat and clean and then you can go nuts with accessories. How is the natural lighting in there? Photos can be deceiving?
Also - we replaced our can lights with all white and they look nice against the white ceiling.

Posted by: Karen | June 05, 2009 at 09:36 AM

Just browsing on Behr.com really quickly I fell in love with a few colors for you - mystical sea (light green), promenade (little bit darker green), grass cloth (grassy/celery), pensive sky (light gray), sterling (another gray)... I guess my vote is for gray or light/bright green!

Posted by: Sarah | June 05, 2009 at 09:37 AM

Grass green is just such a happy color, and I think it would be lovely. I also think that some beadboard painted crisp white would be fantastic at not too much expense.

Posted by: Dawn Diff | June 05, 2009 at 09:37 AM

Actually, I woulld suggest Tiffany Blue. We actually have it in one of our bedrooms with red as the accent color and it works surprisingly well. I thought maybe with the red floor it would work. It looks slightly vintage without looking like a "theme" room. And yes, I hate theme rooms.

Also, I highly suggest getting some sample colors to paint large splotches on the wall before you select the final color. This has kept me from making some major mistakes when it came to wall color. I know Sherwin Williams has them for around $5. That way you can see ehat the colors look like with your trim/floor/cabinets etc before making the time and money investment. You probably knnow this already and I am sure someone has suggested, but it is something worth repeating.

Oh, and I also like the warmish neutral greyish perfect color that has been mentioned, you know with accents of orange or green or blue. You know, HGTV style.

Posted by: Catherine S | June 05, 2009 at 09:38 AM

OH and that white kitchen did look kick-ass but seriously, I bet even THAT kitchen only looked that good for the photo shoot. I feel you on the love of white cuz it looks so CLEAN when it's CLEAN but I never CLEAN so I go for colours that hide that fact that my house isn't CLEAN. Crap... I should go clean something. Seriously.

Posted by: Kirsty | June 05, 2009 at 09:39 AM

I keep thinking that a pale apple green would be really pretty. That may be the same as your grass green but I think that would look awesome.

Posted by: Floyd | June 05, 2009 at 09:41 AM

I think green now after seeing the whole kitchen. A nice, fresh, spring green will balance everything I think!

Posted by: Lizzybee | June 05, 2009 at 09:41 AM

Also, yes, red would be bad. No offense to the red fans, but it has had its day and it really is time to move on. Red is now just dated and over. K? Thanks:)

Posted by: Catherine S | June 05, 2009 at 09:42 AM

So before I got all the way to the end I kept thinking "GREY! GREY!" and then last paragraph "HEY YES WOMAN STOP TALKING AND PAINT IT GREY!"

You could probably get away with a couple of shades, if you wanted to. But I think it'd open it up a lot more than white would. Just pick something that is a true grey and not beige-masquerading-as-grey.

Posted by: lis | June 05, 2009 at 09:45 AM

So before I got all the way to the end I kept thinking "GREY! GREY!" and then last paragraph "HEY YES WOMAN STOP TALKING AND PAINT IT GREY!"

You could probably get away with a couple of shades, if you wanted to. But I think it'd open it up a lot more than white would. Just pick something that is a true grey and not beige-masquerading-as-grey.

Posted by: lis | June 05, 2009 at 09:45 AM

OK, your floors are reddish-orange and opposite that on the color wheel is greenish-blue. I'm thinking something like seaglass. Keep it pale, and find a color with a little black in it - so it doesn't look like a nursery in there. The seaglass color will pop against the floors and vice-versa.

One more thing - I am SO over accent walls. But if you feel you must - pick one color darker on the paint chip than your wall color. Don't do anything crazy. You'll have to live with this shit for years. You know you aren't repainting anytime soon.

Posted by: Mary | June 05, 2009 at 09:45 AM

I like Dana's colour, white with a smidge of brown like beach sand. or white.

Don't mind me, I'm one of your Aussie lurkers :D

Posted by: Antikva | June 05, 2009 at 09:45 AM

Oooh, try a light gray. I think that would give it a slightly more modern touch, but not make it dark or anything.

Posted by: Laura | June 05, 2009 at 09:46 AM

I was one of the people who suggested red, but yeah... with such a large area, I can see why that won't work.

I'm totally a fan of the new trend towards grey rooms. (I think it's a trend anyway.) So I'd go with a warm grey, but then use colorful accents, like orange and blue and lime green to brighten it up. (Not all at once, but in whatever color you like.) I'm partial to orange... if you a search for orange and grey, you can find lots of examples of that color combination.

Grey and orange is probably a very specific taste, though, so of your other choices, I think some shade of green might work well.

Posted by: stephanie | June 05, 2009 at 09:47 AM

I vote for a 'natural' green, olive if you want to go dark or celery if you want to go light. Either I think would look great, but I wouldn't do anything unnaturally bright with the dark 'granite' counter. Someone yesterday suggested using chalkboard paint on one wall, which I think would be awesome! Although teaching the kiddos that yes they are allowed to draw on THIS wall and THIS wall ONLY might be a challenge...

Posted by: Jen | June 05, 2009 at 09:48 AM

I vote for a yellow that is actually yellow. To me, a kitchen should look warm, bright, and cheerful, and yellow would do that.

Posted by: Laura | June 05, 2009 at 09:49 AM

You need the complementary color of the floor, in a lighter value. Go to photoshop and use the eyedropper and get the floor color, then invert it. It'll probably be some shade of greenish blue or violet.

Another option is to paint the walls white, then paint the underside of the thresholds a more interesting color. Like if you lay down and looked upward, what would be a closer version of the ceiling? Don't paint the ceiling, though.

You have enough white to go with a real wall color, though.

Posted by: TheQueen | June 05, 2009 at 09:49 AM

Green -- light green with a white/off white ceiling. They also have new lights that screw into the recessed light fixtures and look like a drop down fixture. I've seen them used in a couple of homes and they aren't bad.

Posted by: MKH | June 05, 2009 at 09:50 AM

Well, other than get color samples and paint a patch first, the best advice I've ever gotten was from my friend. She said that most people get sick of very bold colors pretty soon, so the best way would be to get the color you like and mix it with white. So you just have a tinted white. Works great and you can have your own custom beige!!!!! Ok joke aside, I actually prefere wedgewood blue over tiffany, less turquoise and if you mix it with white you get this clean powdery blue, looks great in my bedroom. But I would also explore some burnt orange tints, since you seem to have quite a freakishly amount of big windows in your kitchen. I bet they were a selling factor too, ooooh, look how much natural light we have in the kitchen. I would love to have a bigger window, but then I would have to clean sticky handprints all day long, in addition to the living room. Good luck I know picking color can be painful

Posted by: Franziska | June 05, 2009 at 09:52 AM

I'd go for a slate grey on most of the walls and do that inset wall (and maybe the backsplash area) by the little table a crisp apple green

Posted by: kakaty | June 05, 2009 at 09:52 AM

Green. That's my vote. I painted our kitchen Behr's Boston Fern, and it is lovely & calming. We have all white cabinetry too, and it just works well to "mute" it a bit (all that white, that is).

Don't trust the colors online, though - the color on Behr's website looks grey, which it is decidedly not.

Good luck - we are still struggling to paint rooms in our house, which we've also lived in for two years. I feel your pain!

Posted by: bessie.viola | June 05, 2009 at 09:53 AM

You should try to hookup with the duo at http://www.thisyounghouse.com/ -- they do color and room consulting. Maybe they could give you pointers? Their style I think matches yours.

Posted by: ann | June 05, 2009 at 09:53 AM

I'm feeeeeeeeling.... GREEN. Avacado or a nice, bright apple green. (And my vote's for apple - it's bright and cheefrul, modern looking, and goes with all the neutral stuff you've got.)

Please note, I've only suggested food-related colors. Very important for the kitchen.

Posted by: Missy | June 05, 2009 at 09:55 AM

I still vote for a shade of blue or blue grey.

Oh and seriously, a chandelier or other cool hanging light over your table area would ROCK. I mean you already have a can light above the table so you wouldn't have to run any wiring, its already there!

Posted by: Lauren | June 05, 2009 at 09:57 AM

I am not sure what Tiffany blue looks like, but I'd vote for some form of a warm blue. Like a dusty aqua maybe? I think that would make the white pop, would look good with the floor, and wouldn't be too dark to make the space feel small. If you wanted to do an accent wall, you could go a couple shades darker there.

I second spraypainting door hardware. Takes like 5 minutes and can make a big difference. They even have paint that makes textures like hammered iron!

Posted by: Becky | June 05, 2009 at 09:57 AM

What about latte? Not the drink, the color? I think it is sherwin williams. (It's my house color by the way) My former house actually, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jodifur | June 05, 2009 at 09:58 AM

I am thinking a slate blue with some black accents. Maybe picture frames, etc. I think it would look nice with the countertops and make the white appliances.

Posted by: Greta | June 05, 2009 at 09:58 AM

I was going to say blue yesterday but then I never comment so why the hell would I start then. But now, today I feel the utmost need for some unknown reason.

I think an antique blue (i don't know wtf I am talking about when I say antique) something with a grey undertone. Or a khaki color that is strong enough to contrast the white and black.

I have a red wall in my dining room which I am so quite over but it is 10 foot tall and angled all funky so I say, fuck it, next owner can paint that. We painted over the lavender office, they should be grateful.

Posted by: Stephanie | June 05, 2009 at 09:59 AM

Write in to HGTV and get their asses out to help out! No joke.

(Actually, in a desperate attempt to find someone to help us find a house finally, one we can afford that isn't falling to shit, I wrote Property Virgins, My First Place and the CEO's mom and basically begged for help. I don't expect an answer.)

Posted by: mihow | June 05, 2009 at 10:00 AM

I vote for pulling your color palette from the shore. pale blues, sand, seafoam, white accents. That's been rattling around in the back of my head for when I finally get up off my butt and paint. Seriously, we've been in our house over seven years and still haven't picked up a paint brush or bought paint or even experimented with paint chips. There's wallpaper all over my house of which I am dreading the removal. I even bought some shore themed wall accents and haven't hung them because PAINT FIRST! So yeah, I feel your pain.

Posted by: ladybughugs | June 05, 2009 at 10:00 AM

oh, and also, I am in love w/ dishwasher. Kitchenaide. One thing I will miss from this stupid, horrible, g-d awful house. That and the paint color.

Posted by: jodifur | June 05, 2009 at 10:01 AM

My blogs are now running in the same circles... I used to read pamie.com all the time, and all the stories between her and AB Chao, and now you are referencing her too. Just don't let AB convince you that you ran over her pet fish. Look it up on Pamie's blog if you don't know what I am talking about- It makes laugh so hard I cry every time.

Posted by: Rebecca | June 05, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I'd have to say a light gray or blue-gray. We have white fixtures in our bathroom and the gray really makes them look bright and clean. We got our paint at Home Depot, I think it was called "Rainy day" or something like that.

Posted by: AP | June 05, 2009 at 10:07 AM

As I mentioned before, we painted our kitchen a nice blue-grey. Here's a picture: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6eP3bBB1mnU/R5xz_3WXdrI/AAAAAAAABdQ/jCwvH_ocjpc/s1600-h/CIMG1225.JPG

Let me know if the link doesn't work (just post to my blog or something). It's from Valspar, I think, and it's "Colorado Gray".

I also like the idea of a nice, bright green with just a little yellow in it.

Posted by: die Frau | June 05, 2009 at 10:10 AM

I see a lot of people saying grey, and I must agree. I painted my own kitchen a grey/clay color and it looks fabulous with white appliances and cabinets. Accent colors that I think I truly amazing are lavender or a dusty yellow.

Posted by: Margo | June 05, 2009 at 10:11 AM

as much as i love plaid, i can not consciously advise a hunting motif where you eat... maybe the bathroom could be plaid? and you could put up a deer head over the toilet and use it's antlers to hang toilet paper from!!! ooooh! i am genius!!! as for the kitchen, olive sounds wonderful.

Posted by: SUPAHMAMA! | June 05, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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